jueves, 13 de febrero de 2020

14/02/20: ANOTHER UPDATE ABOUT WHAT TO DO WHEN GRANTED SPANISH NATIONALITY


Update 14/02/20
Camilla has kindly updated the information about what to do when you are notified that you have been granted Spanish nationality. After the experience with her daughter, she has added important information about Britons born in Spain (whose births are thus registered here). She has also included more on UK birth certificates if people want to keep the original, giving advice to provide a duplicate.

This information has been drawn up based on the website of the Ministerio de Justicia and given out by Registros Civiles, as well as on the experiences of members of EuroCitizens who have completed the process. Since some details vary according to the Registro, we strongly recommend that you contact your local Registro (the town hall can give you the number if you don’t have it) to confirm what they require you to take along and the exact steps.


The four main steps are the following:


11  Notification

22  “Pre-jura”: preparation for the “jura”

33  “Jura” ceremony

44  Final notification and appointment for DNI, followed by updating all documents with your old NIE


Note:Jura” and “prejura”. At the Registro Civil Central c/ Pradillo 66, they do prejura and jura, but in other registros civiles outside Madrid, they may do it in one go, depending on the registro.

We cannot give exact timeframes since timings have varied significantly between individual cases and do not appear to be directly related to whether the applicant lives in a big city or small town. Expect the process to take several months.


1.     Notification.

You receive an email telling you that you have a communication from the Ministerio de Justicia, or a letter at your address (if you did not do the electronic application).

It informs you that you have been given Spanish nationality and gives you 180 days to get it. It is essential that you keep this notification.

Ask for the appointment as soon as possible, since you may well have to wait several months.



2. Appointment for the “prejura” preparation of the “jura”.


a. This appointment is to prepare for the jura, though you do not actually swear or receive nationality yet, this is about paperwork. It is extremely important that you take the correct documents on the day, otherwise you may have to wait longer.

b. First, find out which is your “registro civil”, where you need to make the appointment; this depends on where you are “empadronad@”.

·       If you / your child were born in Spain and the birth was duly registered in Spain, you should check if this is the same Registro Civil where you/ your child are now empadronad@ and in which Registro Civil you need to do the whole procedure.

·       Since the procedure seems to vary from one place to another, check with your registro civil what you need to take; this information is also online (see 2g ).

c. You can make the appointment online or in some cases on the phone, calling your registro civil to make an appointment; at some registros they will just ask you to turn up. The website for online appointments is www.comunidad.madrid/servicios/justicia/cita-previa-registro-civil-unico-madrid. For other autonomous communities / provinces, enter in your search engine “Cita previa registro civil + name of the province”.
d. You need to fill in a form “hoja de datos/”hoja declaratoria de nacimiento” which you can download from www.exteriores.gob.es/Documents/Hoja declaratoria nacimientos  It is classified under the “Sección de nacimientos” , presumably because you are “born again”!  It is best if you fill out as much as possible before the appointment, and check with your registro civil that not 100 % of the information is essential to processing your nationality. Even if you/ your child were born in Spain and are already registered, it is best to fill out this form as it is specifically used for nationality applications.

    The form asks for information that you may not have e.g. the date and place of your parents' wedding, your grandparents’ given names, etc., as well as the inscription of your parents’ wedding and your birth. This is not essential, but again, it’s worth confirming this with your registro civil.

·       If you complete the form online, print out a copy and take it with you.

·       When you are told about a Certificado de Nacimiento, it means that you are going to be registered at the Registro Civil Español, every Spaniard has to be in the Registro Civil, they open a page, and record your name, where and when you were born, and the name and surname of your parents.  Without this Certificado de nacimiento en el Registro Español, you can't get a DNI or a Spanish passport.

e)     Remember that as a Spanish citizen:

·       Everyone needs a second surname, and this should be your mother’s maiden name.

·       If you have 3 given names, you have to choose 2 for the Spanish Registro

·       For married women who took on their husband’s surname, they will now have two new surnames (father’s and mother’s), following the Spanish system.

f)      They will give you a typed version of all the information and you need to carefully check the spelling of names and places.

g)     Documentation required: This may vary depending on whether your application was online or you already handed over the physical documentation. On the Ministry’s website it specifies that you need to show the following documents

·       Letter of notification of nationality being granted from Ministerio de Justicia, the “Resolución”

·       The original of your green certificate or the card with your NIE Certificado de Registro de Ciudadano de la Unión

·       Your passport (original). You show this but they return it to you.

·       Certificado de empadronamiento (remember it must be within the last month)

·       Original, apostille and sworn translation of “antecedentes penales” in the UK (ACRO document that you had to get for your nationality application). It should not be necessary to provide your Spanish “certificado de penales” as in your application, you just tick the box in the application (solicitar penales españoles)

·       Original, apostille and sworn translation of your birth certificate from the UK. IMPORTANT: at least in some Registros Civiles they will keep the original birth certificate “for the archives” (sic), so if you have an official duplicate, hand that over; make sure you keep a scanned copy. Otherwise you can write a letter to the Registro Civil asking for your original birth certificate to be returned, or you can write to the UK to ask for a duplicate.

·       If you are told that you need your parents’ birth certificates (there have been cases), tell the civil servant that you don't need it because in your UK birth certificate, they can see the name of your mother, father and even the maiden name of your mother.

You should also take

·       The ”hoja declaratoria de nacimiento” that you completed with your details for the Registro Civil (see point 2d).

·       The email/ letter giving you the appointment.

·       If you/ your child were born in Spain, you will already be registered in the Registro Civil, so you should take along the original document of the inscription in the Registro Civil. In this case you/ your child may not be asked for your UK birth certificate, but take it along in any case – and you should still fill out the “hoja declaratoria”.

h)     You then ask for an appointment for the 'jura'. This may be several months after the second appointment for the paperwork.

i)      For minors (over 14 and under 18)

The minor should be accompanied by both parents. If the child is under 14, s/he does not need to be present. Both parents should be present, or in the case of one being absent, the other should have “poder notarial”. They should complete the same “hoja de datos”.



3.      “Jura” ceremony


a)     Take all your documents along to the “jura”, which is a very brief ceremony (10 minutes). If you have already presented the documents at the “prejura”, in theory you only need to take your passport (the original), the original NIE and the letter granting nationality, as well as the form with personal details of yourself and your parents, that you were given to fill in at the “prejura”. If the civil servant at the “prejura” requested any other document, you should take that along too.

b)     You will be asked to jurar or prometer the Spanish constitution and say that you renounce your British nationality. Remember that as far as the British government is concerned, you have not really renounced your British nationality.

c)     You just need to reply “sí“ to both and you are away!

You will not be requested to hand over your British passport, either in this ceremony or in the previous paperwork appointment.

Once the jura is completed, the 6-month period you are given when nationality is granted, is cancelled. You can ask for a copy of the “Acta de Juramento” if you wish (it isn’t necessary).



4.     Final notification and appointment for DNI


a)     After the “jura” you will need to wait until you get a notification via SMS from the Registro Civil that your certificate is ready; again, waiting time varies, so it is best to ask. This is the “Certificación Literal” which is your inscription in the Registro Civil (with your NIE and the rest of information you gave) and you need to pick this up in person from the Registro Civil; it is specifically and exclusively for you to get the DNI.

b)     You will then need to get an appointment with the Policía Nacional to get your DNI and passport. You can ask for an appointment on the phone 060 o online https://www.citapreviadnie.es. At the police appointment you need to present:

·       The Certificación Literal  (the original the Registro Civil gave you)

·       The Certificado de empadronamiento (the Policía Nacional will accept one within the last 3 months)

·       A recent photo (“hard copy” in paper)

·       42 euros in cash for the DNI and passport; they do not accept cards.

If you need more information on this, look at                       http://www.interior.gob.es/web/servicios-al-ciudadano/dni/como-obtener-su-dni

c)     When you get your DNI, you should also ask the police for a certificado de concordancia which proves that the person with the NIE is the same as the person with the DNI.

d)     When you have done this, you will need to change all your documents to include your new name and DNI number. The DNI number has no relation to the NIE. Examples of documents: driving licence, Hacienda, health card, registration at the town hall, bank accounts, will, accounts with Iberia/ other airlines, and all contracts e.g. work, insurance, utilities, phone, etc.

e)     If you want a Spanish passport, you need to apply for this. When you get it, remember to use your Spanish passport when travelling, including airline reservations etc, (rather than your British one) as there have been cases of people being told by the Spanish administration / police that they will have the Spanish passport taken away if they continue to use their British one.


You may find this link useful https://www.parainmigrantes.info/estado-nacionalidad-concedida-y-ahora-que/

martes, 11 de febrero de 2020

11/02/20: EuroCitizens continues engaging with the Spanish Government on its plans for implementing the Withdrawal Agreement for Britons in Spain


Camilla Hillier-Fry and John Richards before the meeting.
On Monday 10 February, three committee members of EuroCitizens attended a meeting at the Foreign Affairs Ministry in Madrid. Also present were top civil servants from the Interior Ministry, the Ministry for Inclusion, Social Security and Migration and from the UK Embassy.

We put forward a series of questions relating to the registration of British citizens in Spain covered by the Withdrawal Agreement (WA). We were told that the implementation of the new system is still pending confirmation from the European Commission about certain aspects of the special third-country-national ID card (TIE) for Britons covered under the WA - the objective being a standardized EU27 format for the card. However, this will occur 'within a short period of time'. Until the new system is in place, unregistered Britons can continue to apply for the green EU residence certificates, using a 'cita previa' route on the Interior website dedicated to 'solo britanicos'. After the launch of the new ID card, information about registration will be provided on the Moncloa website and ministry websites.

Civil servants reiterated to us the declaratory nature of the registration process in Spain (the confirmation of our status as opposed to a re-application for a new status). They also highlighted that registered Britons will be facing no deadline of any kind at the end of the transition period on 31/12/20. Our green EU residence certificates will be valid for a long time afterwards, though the new ID card, while valid only for our rights in Spain, will potentially also make travel into and within the EU easier.

In March EuroCitizens hopes to have further contacts with department heads in the Interior Ministry and Ministry for Inclusion responsible for the roll-out of procedures for registering the 340,000 Britons in Spain.